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03-02-2011
Title:
Zevachim 76 - WHEN MAY WE CAUSE

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1) WHEN MAY WE CAUSE "KODSHIM" TO BE WASTED?

(a) Question: Indeed, he allows this l'Chatchilah!
1. Question #1 (Abaye - Mishnah #1 - R. Yishmael (some texts - R. Shimon)): Kohanim may eat (almost any) Kodshim however they want - roasted, overcooked or cooked; they may mix in spices of Chulin or Terumah.
2. Answer (Rava): Because Terumah of spices is only mid'Rabanan, we are not concerned lest it becomes Pasul.
3. Question #2 (Abaye - Mishnah #2): We may not buy Terumah with money of Ma'aser Sheni, for this limits the consumption (Rashi - now, the Terumah must be eaten in Yerushalayim; Tosfos - now, the Ma'aser must be eaten by Kohanim);
i. R. Shimon permits this.
4. Rava could not answer.
(b) Abaye reported this dialogue to Rav Yosef.
(c) Rav Yosef: You could have asked from another Mishnah!
1. (Mishnah #3): We may not cook Shemitah vegetables in Terumah oil, lest the Terumah become Pasul.
2. R. Shimon permits this.
(d) Abaye: I asked from Mishnah #1, he answered that Terumah of spices is different, for it is only mid'Rabanan - he would answer Mishnah #3 similarly, it discusses Terumah mid'Rabanan (Shitah Mekubetzes - e.g. sesame oil).
(e) Rav Yosef: If Mishnah #3 discussed Terumah of vegetables (which is always mid'Rabanan) and Shemitah oil, you would be right - but it discusses Terumah oil (which is usually from olives, which is mid'Oraisa) and Shemitah vegetables!
(f) Abaye: Rabanan asked (end of 75B) from our Mishnah, he answered that R. Shimon only permits if they already became mixed - he would answer Mishnah #3 similarly, the case is, the Terumah and Shemitah were already mixed!
(g) Objection (Rav Yosef): If they were already mixed, why do Chachamim forbid cooking them together - do they equate this to an Asham mixed with a Shelamim?!
1. That is different, there is a solution (Ro'im), therefore we do not cause Kodshim to be wasted - here, against our will the Terumah must be eaten with the stringencies of Shemitah!
2. This case (Terumah mixed with Demei Shemitah) is like a mixture of pieces of Kodshei Kodoshim and Kodshim Kalim, all agree that all must be eaten with the stringencies of the more stringent one!
(h) Question (Ravina): A mixture of pieces of Kodshei Kodoshim and Kodshim Kalim is different, there is no alternative - but if Terumah oil was mixed with Shemitah vegetables, the oil can be squeezed out of the vegetables!
(i) Answer: Rav Yosef holds that it is not feasible to squeeze out the oil:
1. If we squeeze out a lot (to get out all the oil), this will ruin the vegetables (and it is forbidden to ruin Shemitah produce);
2. If we squeeze out a little, some Terumah oil will remain, it might become wasted (when Bi'ur comes)!
2) "TAHARAH" OF A "SAFEK METZORA"
(a) Question (Beraisa - R. Shimon): (A Nazir became doubtfully Tamei Mes; additionally, he was a Metzora Muchlat (the Tzara'as is now healed), he is unsure if he must perform Taharas Metzora or if he already fulfilled it. He brings Tziporim (birds) today for the first step of Taharah; on day 30, he shaves all his hair.) The next day, he brings a (lamb for) Asham Metzora and a Log of oil, and stipulates:
1. If I need to bring Asham Metzora, this is the Asham and the oil that must be brought with it; if I need not bring it, this lamb is a Shelamim;
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2. It must be slaughtered in the north (perhaps it is an Asham), some of the blood must be put on his ear, thumb and toe, it requires Semichah and Nesachim (in any case; some say, it is not a proper Semichah, for Asham Metzora does not require Semichah mid'Oraisa, so there is no Heter to lean on the Korban) and Tenufah of Chazeh v'Shok (in case it is a Shelamim);
3. It may be eaten for only one day and the following night (in case it is an Asham - Shelamim should be permitted for two days!)
(b) Answer: (Normally, R. Shimon does not permit wasting Kodshim l'Chatchilah -) this is an exception, it is permitted for his Tikun (there is no other way for him to become absolutely Tahor to eat Kodshim).
(c) Question: This explains how we may offer the Asham - how may we do (Safek) Avodah with the oil, perhaps it is unnecessary, this is Chulin b'Azarah!
(d) Answer: He stipulates, if he does not need Taharas Metzora, the oil is Nedavah.
(e) Question: If it is Nedavah, a Kometz must be taken!
(f) Answer: Indeed, we take a Kometz.
(g) Question: If he is a Metzora, seven Haza'os of oil are required!
(h) Answer: We do seven Haza'os.
(i) Question: If so, a full Log will not remain!
(j) Answer: We add more to restore the Shi'ur.
1. (Mishnah): If the Log is diminished before putting on the ear, thumb and toe, we add more to restore the Shi'ur.
(k) Question: If it is Nedavah, we must Maktir the Kometz!
(l) Answer: Indeed, we Maktir it.
(m) Question: When do we Maktir it?
1. If this is after the Haza'os, some of the Shirayim (leftovers) after Kemitzah are missing before Haktarah, Haktarah is forbidden in such a case!
2. Version #1 (Rashi): If this is before the Haza'os, this forbids doing Haza'ah, for (Haza'ah is like Haktarah, and) it is forbidden Lehaktir Shirayim of anything which is partially Huktar (burned on the Mizbe'ach)!
(n) Answer (Rav Yehudah brei d'R. Shimon ben Pazi): He does Haza'ah, stipulating that if this is unnecessary, it is l'Shem Etzim (like burning wood on the Mizbe'ach, i.e. not an obligatory Avodah).
1. Version #2 (Tosfos): (Even) before the Haza'os, we may not Maktir the Kometz - since we will do Haza'os, the oil is like a Korban, "Lo Saktiru" applies to it (according to R. Akiva).
(o) Answer (Rav Yehudah brei d'R. Shimon ben Pazi): He is Maktir, stipulating that if this is unnecessary, it is l'Shem Etzim. (End of Version #2)
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): "L'Re'ach Nicho'ach" - you may not offer (Chametz or honey (i.e. any sweet derivative of fruit) on the Mizbe'ach) to fulfill Hash-m's will, but they may be burned l'Shem Etzim.

   
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